20 November 2007


When my nephew, Johnson, was a tyke, he once got so mad that he said "That makes me stink!"

The non sequitur stuck and, 30-something years later, I still find myself saying it every once in a while.

Like today, when I read the NY Times article that Suzanne is talking about.

It is all about how, at Jets football games, men stand around during breaks harassing women to show their tits.
When one woman appeared to be on the verge of obliging, the hooting and hollering intensified. But then she walked away, and plastic beer bottles and spit went flying. Boos swept through the crowd of unsatisfied men.

Suzanne mentions that two young men, Patrick Scofield (Poughkeepsie, NY, age 20) and Marco Hoffner (Lacey Township, NJ, age 18) are quoted in the article, and she has some words for them:
If women were smart (and lucky for you, they are not), they would read about your attitudes and decide that no one should ever, under any circumstances, have sex with you. You would both be shunned like the pathetic, hateful pieces of shit that you are until you apologize and learn how to behave like a civilized person.

Here's a nice thought for you, Suzanne - these men are both very young and are not very accomplished. So the NY Times article is likely to be the biggest thing to ever happen to them. Which means, for the rest of time, when someone googles "Patrick Scofield" or "Marco Hoffner," the first thing that will pop up is the NY Times piece. Good luck getting jobs, guys. You may need it. Ain't no justice like internet justice.


Suzanne said...

I wish that were the case, but all too often men are rewarded for that type of behavior with hoots and pats on the back. It wouldn't surprise me if this were just written off as "boys will be boys" and no harm done. And while I agree that they are young, they are certainly old enough to know that what they are doing - yelling at women as part of a hostile group, demanding that women show them their breasts - is wrong so it is best to do it in the anonymity of a large stadium, otherwise they'd probably be lining the halls of their schools and harassing the young women there. Unless either of these men were mentally impaired, they are old enough to know that spitting on women who refuse to flash them is wrong. Today's New York Times has a follow up story, which is interesting.

claire said...

Sadly, living in the times of "Girls Gone Wild", i'm not really surprised. In fact, i'm kind of surprised that this doesn't happen more often.

I think that boys and young men are getting a little twisted in their expectations of women and sex and that this sort of thing just happens in the videos they watch.

What's scary, is that a lot of girls will do it and not think any less of themselves.

claire said...

I know that last comment sounds awfully prudish, now that i'm reading it back, but i don't care.

I'm 26 - and i'm lucky i'm not 18. I feel for the girls who are growing up with boys who have been watching internet porn since they were 13. I was lucky enough to be born just before porn was as easily accessible as it is now. I can't imagine what it's like growing up with 16 year old boys who think that is "normal" and expected.

porn rant: over.

super des said...

I don't think it *will* impair them getting jobs.
I wish I had been one of the girls they hooted at. I would have "flashed them" my middle finger and a few choice words and thrown their own bottles back at me. Then I would have reported assault on them because no, you're not allowed to do that to people.

It probably would have done no good, but then I could go to the Times with my own story about it and there would be even *more* feminist outrage.

Gee, I'm in a ranting kind of mood today.

QT said...

This happens to me at motorcycle rallies. Luckily, there are plenty of other women around who are only more than happy to oblige.


Suzanne said...

Claire, I don't think that sounds prudish at all.

Anonymous said...

HA - so true. Although...I agree with Suzanne, on second thought, that they probably will be rewarded for it. Sigh.

I have never shown my "girls" in public, but I must confess that I once mooned my husband in a parking lot.

Anonymous said...

The karma train? She's a comin' for you, guys. And she's not gonna stop because you're standing on the tracks. Hopefully, she'll speed up.

Count Mockula said...

I only hope it's true. I hope their dream job is being hired by an internet-savvy feminist.

Anonymous said...

i go to school with marco and either way hell never get pussy he looks like a scrambled egg headed alien give the kid a break those tits at the jets game are the only ones hell ever see

Anonymous said...


and the ROFL at the last comment.

Anonymous said...

i had sex with marcos sister daniela in marcos bed

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